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1 Objection 1: It would seem that there are not waters above the firmament. For water is heavy by nature, and heavy things tend naturally downwards, not upwards. Therefore there are not waters above the firmament.

1 Ad secundum sic proceditur. Videtur quod aquae non sunt supra firmamentum. Aqua enim est naturaliter gravis. Locus autem proprius gravis non est esse sursum, sed solum deorsum. Ergo aquae non sunt supra firmamentum.

2 Objection 2: Further, water is fluid by nature, and fluids cannot rest on a sphere, as experience shows. Therefore, since the firmament is a sphere, there cannot be water above it.

2 Praeterea, naturaliter aqua est fluida. Sed quod est fluidum, non potest consistere super corpus rotundum, ut experimento patet. Ergo, cum firmamentum sit corpus rotundum, aqua non potest esse supra firmamentum.

3 Objection 3: Further, water is an element, and appointed to the generation of composite bodies, according to the relation in which imperfect things stand towards perfect. But bodies of composite nature have their place upon the earth, and not above the firmament, so that water would be useless there. But none of God's works are useless. Therefore there are not waters above the firmament.

3 Praeterea, aqua, cum sit elementum, ordinatur ad generationem corporis mixti; sicut imperfectum ordinatur ad perfectum. Sed supra firmamentum non est locus mixtionis, sed supra terram. Ergo frustra aqua esset supra firmamentum. Nihil autem in operibus Dei est frustra. Ergo aquae non sunt supra firmamentum.

4 On the contrary, It is written Gn. 1, 7): God) divided the waters that were under the firmament, from those that were above the firmament.

4 Sed contra est quod dicitur Gen. I, quod divisit aquas quae erant supra firmamentum, ab his quae erant sub firmamento.

5 I answer with Augustine Gen. ad lit. ii, 5) that, These words of Scripture have more authority than the most exalted human intellect. Hence, whatever these waters are, and whatever their mode of existence, we cannot for a moment doubt that they are there. As to the nature of these waters, all are not agreed. Origen says Hom. i in Gen.) that the waters that are above the firmament are spiritual substances. Wherefore it is written Ps. 148, 4): Let the waters that are above the heavens praise the name of the Lord, and Dn.

3, 60): Ye waters that are above the heavens, bless the Lord. To this Basil answers Hom. iii in Hexaem.) that these words do not mean that these waters are rational creatures, but that the thoughtful contemplation of them by those who understand fulfils the glory of the Creator. Hence in the same context, fire, hail, and other like creatures, are invoked in the same way, though no one would attribute reason to these. We must hold, then, these waters to be material, but their exact nature will be differently defined according as opinions on the firmament differ.

For if by the firmament we understand the starry heaven, and as being of the nature of the four elements, for the same reason it may be believed that the waters above the heaven are of the same nature as the elemental waters. But if by the firmament we understand the starry heaven, not, however, as being of the nature of the four elements then the waters above the firmament will not be of the same nature as the elemental waters, but just as, according to Strabus, one heaven is called empyrean, that is, fiery, solely on account of its splendor: so this other heaven will be called aqueous solely on account of its transparence; and this heaven is above the starry heaven.

Again, if the firmament is held to be of other nature than the elements, it may still be said to divide the waters, if we understand by water not the element but formless matter. Augustine, in fact, says Super Gen. cont. Manich. i, 5, 7) that whatever divides bodies from bodies can be said to divide waters from waters. If, however, we understand by the firmament that part of the air in which the clouds are collected, then the waters above the firmament must rather be the vapors resolved from the waters which are raised above a part of the atmosphere, and from which the rain falls.

But to say, as some writers alluded to by Augustine Gen. ad lit. ii, 4), that waters resolved into vapor may be lifted above the starry heaven, is a mere absurdity. The solid nature of the firmament, the intervening region of fire, wherein all vapor must be consumed, the tendency in light and rarefied bodies to drift to one spot beneath the vault of the moon, as well as the fact that vapors are perceived not to rise even to the tops of the higher mountains, all to go to show the impossibility of this.

Nor is it less absurd to say, in support of this opinion, that bodies may be rarefied infinitely, since natural bodies cannot be infinitely rarefied or divided, but up to a certain point only.

5 Respondeo dicendum quod, sicut dicit Augustinus, II super Gen. ad Litt., maior est Scripturae huius auctoritas quam omnis humani ingenii capacitas. Unde quomodo et quales aquae ibi sint, eas tamen ibi esse, minime dubitamus. Quales autem sint illae aquae, non eodem modo ab omnibus assignatur. Origenes enim dicit quod aquae illae quae super caelos sunt, sunt spirituales substantiae, unde in Psalmo CXLVIII, dicitur, aquae quae super caelos sunt, laudent nomen domini; et Dan. III, benedicite, aquae omnes quae super caelos sunt, domino.

Sed ad hoc respondet Basilius, in III Hexaem., quod hoc non dicitur eo quod aquae sint rationales creaturae; sed quia consideratio earum, prudenter a sensum habentibus contemplata, glorificationem perficit creatoris. Unde ibidem dicitur idem de igne et grandine et huiusmodi, de quibus constat quod non sunt rationales creaturae. Dicendum est ergo quod sunt aquae corporales. Sed quales aquae sint, oportet diversimode definire, secundum diversam de firmamento sententiam. Si enim per firmamentum intelligitur caelum sidereum quod ponitur esse de natura quatuor elementorum, pari ratione et aquae quae super caelos sunt, eiusdem naturae poterunt credi cum elementaribus aquis.

Si autem per firmamentum intelligatur caelum sidereum quod non sit de natura quatuor elementorum, tunc et aquae illae quae sunt supra firmamentum, non erunt de natura elementarium aquarum, sed sicut, secundum Strabum, dicitur caelum Empyreum, idest igneum, propter solum splendorem; ita dicetur aliud caelum aqueum propter solam diaphaneitatem, quod est supra caelum sidereum. Posito etiam quod firmamentum sit alterius naturae praeter quatuor elementa, adhuc potest dici quod aquas dividit, si per aquam non elementum aquae, sed materiam informem corporum intelligamus, ut Augustinus dicit, super Gen.

contra Manich., quia secundum hoc, quidquid est inter corpora, dividit aquas ab aquis. Si autem per firmamentum intelligatur pars aeris in qua nubes condensantur, sic aquae quae supra firmamentum sunt, sunt aquae quae, vaporabiliter resolutae, supra aliquam partem aeris elevantur ex quibus pluviae generantur. Dicere enim quod aquae vaporabiliter resolutae eleventur supra caelum sidereum, ut quidam dixerunt, quorum opinionem Augustinus tangit in II super Gen. ad Litt. est omnino impossibile. Tum propter soliditatem caeli. Tum propter regionem ignis mediam, quae huiusmodi vapores consumeret.

Tum quia locus quo feruntur levia et rara, est infra concavum orbis lunae. Tum etiam quia sensibiliter apparet vapores non elevari usque ad cacumina quorundam montium. Quod etiam dicunt de rarefactione corporis in infinitum, propter hoc quod corpus est in infinitum divisibile, vanum est. Non enim corpus naturale in infinitum dividitur aut rarefit, sed usque ad certum terminum.

6 Reply to Objection 1: Some have attempted to solve this difficulty by supposing that in spite of the natural gravity of water, it is kept in its place above the firmament by the Divine power. Augustine Gen. ad lit. ii, 1), however will not admit this solution, but says It is our business here to inquire how God has constituted the natures of His creatures, not how far it may have pleased Him to work on them by way of miracle. We leave this view, then, and answer that according to the last two opinions on the firmament and the waters the solution appears from what has been said. According to the first opinion, an order of the elements must be supposed different from that given by Aristotle, that is to say, that the waters surrounding the earth are of a dense consistency, and those around the firmament of a rarer consistency, in proportion to the respective density of the earth and of the heaven. Or by the water, as stated, we may understand the matter of bodies to be signified.

6 Ad primum ergo dicendum quod quibusdam videtur ratio illa solvenda per hoc, quod aquae, quamvis sint naturaliter graves, virtute tamen divina super caelos continentur. Sed hanc solutionem Augustinus excludit, II Lib. super Gen. ad Litt., dicens quod nunc quemadmodum Deus instituit naturas rerum convenit quaerere; non quid in eis ad miraculum suae potentiae velit operari. Unde aliter dicendum est quod, secundum duas ultimas opiniones de aquis et firmamento, patet solutio ex praemissis. Secundum autem primam opinionem, oportet ponere alium ordinem in elementis quam Aristoteles ponat; ut quaedam aquae spissae sint circa terram, quaedam vero tenues circa caelum; ut sic se habeant illae ad caelum, sicut istae ad terram. Vel quod per aquam intelligatur materia corporum, ut dictum est.

7 Reply to Objection 2: The solution is clear from what has been said, according to the last two opinions. But according to the first opinion, Basil gives two replies Hom. iii in Hexaem.). He answers first, that a body seen as concave beneath need not necessarily be rounded, or convex, above. Secondly, that the waters above the firmament are not fluid, but exist outside it in a solid state, as a mass of ice, and that this is the crystalline heaven of some writers.

7 Ad secundum etiam patet solutio ex praemissis, secundum duas ultimas opiniones. Secundum vero primam, respondet Basilius dupliciter. Uno modo, quia non est necessarium ut omne quod in concavo apparet rotundum, sit etiam supra rotundum secundum convexum. Secundo, quia aquae quae sunt supra caelos, non sunt fluidae; sed quasi glaciali soliditate circa caelum firmatae. Unde et a quibusdam dicuntur caelum crystallinum.

8 Reply to Objection 3: According to the third opinion given, the waters above the firmament have been raised in the form of vapors, and serve to give rain to the earth. But according to the second opinion, they are above the heaven that is wholly transparent and starless. This, according to some, is the primary mobile, the cause of the daily revolution of the entire heaven, whereby the continuance of generation is secured. In the same way the starry heaven, by the zodiacal movement, is the cause whereby different bodies are generated or corrupted, through the rising and setting of the stars, and their various influences. But according to the first opinion these waters are set there to temper the heat of the celestial bodies, as Basil supposes Hom. iii in Hexaem.). And Augustine says Gen. ad lit. ii, 5) that some have considered this to be proved by the extreme cold of Saturn owing to its nearness to the waters that are above the firmament.

8 Ad tertium dicendum quod, secundum tertiam opinionem, aquae sunt supra firmamentum vaporabiliter elevatae propter utilitatem pluviarum. Secundum vero secundam opinionem, aquae sunt supra firmamentum, idest caelum totum diaphanum absque stellis. Quod quidam ponunt primum mobile, quod revolvit totum caelum motu diurno, ut operetur per motum diurnum continuitatem generationis, sicut caelum in quo sunt sidera, per motum qui est secundum zodiacum, operatur diversitatem generationis et corruptionis, per accessum et recessum, et per diversas virtutes stellarum. Secundum vero primam opinionem, aquae sunt ibi, ut Basilius dicit, ad contemperandum calorem caelestium corporum. Cuius signum acceperunt aliqui, ut Augustinus dicit, quod stella Saturni, propter vicinitatem aquarum superiorum, est frigidissima.

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I q. 68 a. 2: Whether there are waters above the firmament? · 262 unique words
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Nouns (80)
aqua, aquae f · 1st
water ×38
creatura, creaturae f · 1st
creation ×2
littera, litterae f · 1st
letter ×3
luna, lunae f · 1st
moon
materia, materiae f · 1st
matter, material ×2
natura, naturae f · 1st
nature ×6
pluvia, pluviae f · 1st
rain, shower ×2
potentia, potentiae f · 1st
force, power
scriptura, scripturae f · 1st
writing
sententia, sententiae f · 1st
opinion, feeling
stella, stellae f · 1st
star ×3
substantia, substantiae f · 1st
nature
terra, terrae f · 1st
earth, land ×3
augustinus, augustinī m · 2nd
Augustine ×5
basilius, basiliī m · 2nd
Basil ×3
deus, deī m · 2nd
God, god ×2
dominus, dominī m · 2nd
lord; the Lord ×2
liber, librī m · 2nd
book
locus, locī m · 2nd
seat, rank ×3
manichaeus, manichaeī m · 2nd
Manichean
modus, modī m · 2nd
manner, mode ×2
psalmus, psalmī m · 2nd
psalm
saturnus, saturnī m · 2nd
Saturn
strabus, strabī m · 2nd
Strabus
terminus, terminī m · 2nd
boundary, limit, end
zodiacus, zodiacī m · 2nd
the zodiac
caelum, caelī n · 2nd
heaven, sky ×20
elementum, elementī n · 2nd
element, origin ×6
experimentum, experimentī n · 2nd
trial, experiment
firmamentum, firmamentī n · 2nd
support, prop ×19
hexaemeron n · 2nd
Hexaemeron
ingenium, ingeniī n · 2nd
nature, innate quality
miraculum, miraculī n · 2nd
miracle
signum, signī n · 2nd
battle standard
aer, aeris m · 3rd
air ×2
aristoteles m · 3rd
Aristotle
calor, caloris m · 3rd
heat
creator, creatōris m · 3rd
creator
ignis, ignis m · 3rd · i-stem
fire, brightness ×2
mons, montis m · 3rd · i-stem
mountain
orbis, orbis m · 3rd · i-stem
circle
ordo, ordinis m · 3rd
row, order, rank
Origenes, origenis m · 3rd
Origen
splendor, splendoris m · 3rd
brilliance, luster
vapor, vaporis m · 3rd
steam, vapor ×2
auctoritas, auctoritatis f · 3rd
authority
capacitas, capacitatis f · 3rd
capacity
consideratio, considerationis f · 3rd
consideration
continuitas, continuitatis f · 3rd
continuity
corruptio, corruptiōnis f · 3rd
corruption
diaphaneitas, diaphaneitatis f · 3rd
transparency
diversitas, diversitatis f · 3rd
difference, diversity
generatio, generatiōnis f · 3rd
generation, action ×3
genesis, genesis f · 3rd
Genesis ×5
glorificatio, glorificationis f · 3rd
glorification
grando, grandinis f · 3rd
hail, hail-storm
mixtio, mixtionis f · 3rd
a mingling, mixture
nubes, nubis f · 3rd · i-stem
cloud, mist, haze, dust, smoke
opinio, opiniōnis f · 3rd
belief, idea ×7
pars, partis f · 3rd · i-stem
part, region ×2
rarefactio, rarefactionis f · 3rd
a rarefying
ratio, ratiōnis f · 3rd
reason, account ×2
regio, regiōnis f · 3rd
area, region
soliditas, soliditatis f · 3rd
solidity ×2
solutio, solutiōnis f · 3rd
loosing, relaxation ×3
utilitas, utilitātis f · 3rd
usefulness, advantage
vicinitas, vicinitatis f · 3rd
nearness, vicinity
virtus, virtutis f · 3rd
strength, power ×2
cacumen, cacuminis n · 3rd
a peak, summit
corpus, corporis n · 3rd
body ×10
nomen, nōminis n · 3rd
name
opus, operis n · 3rd
need
par, paris n · 3rd · i-stem
equal
sidus, sideris n · 3rd
star
accessus, accessūs m · 4th
approach, arrival
motus, motūs m · 4th
movement, motion ×3
recessus, recessūs m · 4th
a going back, setting
sensus, sensūs m · 4th
feeling, sense
res, reī f · 5th
res
daniel, Danielis m
Daniel
Verbs (45)
assignō, assignāre, assignāvī, assignātum 1st conj
assign, distribute
condenso 1st conj
make thick, condense
consto 1st conj
to stand together, be composed of
contempero 1st conj
temper, moderate
contemplor, contemplārī, contemplātus sum 1st conj
observe
dubitō, dubitāre, dubitāvī, dubitātum 1st conj
doubt
elevō, elevāre, elevāvī, elevātum 1st conj
lift up, raise ×4
firmō, firmāre, firmāvī, firmātum 1st conj
strengthen, harden
generō, generāre, generāvī, generātum 1st conj
beget, father
laudō, laudāre, laudāvī, laudātum 1st conj
recommend
operor, operārī, operātus sum 1st conj
work, labor ×3
ordinō, ordināre, ordināvī, ordinātum 1st conj
order ×2
appareō, apparēre, apparuī, apparitum 2nd conj
appear ×2
contineō, continēre, continuī, contentum 2nd conj
secure, maintain
habeō, habēre, habuī, habitum 2nd conj
have, hold ×2
oportet, oportēre, oportuit 2nd conj
it is necessary, it behooves ×2
pateō, patēre, patuī 2nd conj
be open, lie open ×3
respondeō, respondēre, respondī, responsum 2nd conj
answer ×3
videō, vidēre, vīdī, vīsum 2nd conj
see ×2
accipiō, accipere, accepī, acceptum 3rd conj
take, grasp
benedīcō, benedīcere, benedīxī, benedictum 3rd conj
bless
consistō, consistere, constitī, constitum 3rd conj
stop, stand, halt, cease
consumō, consumere, consumpsī, consumptum 3rd conj
burn up, destroy, kill
credō, credere, credidī, creditum 3rd conj
trust, entrust
dīcō, dīcere, dīxī, dictum 3rd conj
say, speak ×23
dividō, dividere, divisī, divisum 3rd conj
divide ×4
excludō, excludere, exclusī, exclusum 3rd conj
shut out, shut off
instituō, instituere, instituī, institutum 3rd conj
set up, establish
intelligō, intelligere, intellēxī, intellēctum 3rd conj
understand ×5
perficiō, perficere, perfecī, perfectum 3rd conj
complete, finish
ponō, ponere, posuī, positum 3rd conj
put, place, set ×5
praemitto 3rd conj
send ahead, state beforehand ×2
procedō, procedere, processī, processum 3rd conj
proceed
quaerō, quaerere, quaesīvī, quaesītum 3rd conj
seek
resolvo 3rd conj
loosen, resolve ×2
revolvō, revolvere, revolvī, revolutum 3rd conj
throw back, roll back
solvō, solvere, solvī, solutum 3rd conj
loosen, release
tangō, tangere, tetigī, tactum 3rd conj
touch, strike
conveniō, convenīre, convēnī, conventum 4th conj
come together, assemble
definiō, definīre, definīvī, definītum 4th conj
define, bound, fix, limit, mark
ferō, ferre, tulī, lātum irreg
bring, bear
possum, posse, potuī irreg
be able, can ×4
rarefacio irreg
make thin, rarefy
sum, esse, fuī, futūrus irreg
be ×58
volō, velle, voluī irreg
wish, will, want
Adjectives (55)
alter, altera, alterum (gen. alterīus) 1st
one
diversus, -a, -um 1st
different, diverse ×2
frigidus, -a, -um 1st
cold, cool
humanus, -a, -um 1st
human
perfectus, -a, -um 1st
perfect, complete
proprius, -a, -um 1st
own, very own
rotundus, -a, -um 1st
round ×4
suus, -a, -um 1st
his/her/their own
tertius, -a, -um 1st
third ×2
tōtus, -a, -um (gen. tōtīus) 1st
whole, all ×2
alius, alia, aliud (gen. usually alterīus) 2nd
other, another ×2
aqueus, -a, -um 1st/2nd
watery
certus, -a, -um 2nd
fixed, settled
concavus, -a, -um 1st/2nd
hollow, concave ×2
convexus, -a, -um 1st/2nd
convex
crystallinus, -a, -um 1st/2nd
crystalline
diaphanus, -a, -um 1st/2nd
transparent, diaphanous
diurnus, -a, -um 2nd
by day, of the day ×2
divinus, -a, -um 2nd
divine, of a deity, god
empyreus, -a, -um 1st/2nd
empyrean, fiery
fluidus, -a, -um 1st/2nd
flowing, fluid ×3
igneus, -a, -um 2nd
fiery, hot
imperfectus, -a, -um 2nd
unfinished, imperfect
infinitus, -a, -um 2nd
infinite, boundless ×3
magnus, -a, -um 2nd
large, great, big, vast, huge
medius, -a, -um 2nd
middle, middle of
mixtus, -a, -um 1st/2nd
mixed, compound
necessarius, -a, -um 2nd
necessary, needed, essential, indispensable
primus, -a, -um 2nd
first, foremost, best ×5
rarus, -a, -um 1st/2nd
thin, rarefied
secundus, -a, -um 2nd
next, following ×4
sidereus, -a, -um 1st/2nd
of the stars, starry ×4
sōlus, -a, -um (gen. sōlīus) 2nd
only, single
spissus, -a, -um 1st/2nd
thick, dense
ultimus, -a, -um 2nd
last, furthest ×2
ūnus, -a, -um (gen. ūnīus) 2nd
one ×2
vānus, -a, -um 2nd
vain, empty
caelestis, -e 3rd
heavenly, of heavens, sky
corporalis, -e 3rd
bodily, corporeal
divisibilis, -e 3rd
divisible
elementaris, -e 3rd
elementary ×2
glacialis, -e 3rd
icy, frozen
gravis, -e 3rd
heavy; dull ×3
impossibilis, -e 3rd
impossible
informis, -e 3rd
shapeless, formless
levis, -e 3rd
smooth
mobilis, -e 3rd
movable
naturalis, -e 3rd
natural, normal
omnis, -e 3rd
all, every ×4
qualis, -e 3rd
what kind, sort, condition ×3
rationalis, -e 3rd
rational, endowed with reason ×2
spiritualis, -e 3rd
spiritual, of the spirit
superior, gen. superiōris 3rd
above, high
tenuis, -e 3rd
thin, fine
huiusmodi adj
such a one ×2
Pronouns (12)
is, ea, id
he, she, it; this, that ×4
quī, quae, quod
who, which ×27
hic, haec, hoc
this, this one; (adv.) here ×8
īdem, eadem, idem
the same ×3
ille, illa, illud
that; he, she, it ×5
iste, ista, istud
that, that of yours
suī, sibi, sē
of himself, herself, itself
aliquī, aliqua, aliquod
anyone, anybody, anything ×2
quīdam, quaedam, quoddam
a certain one, someone ×7
quis, quid
who? what?
nihil (indēcl.)
nothing
quisquis, quidquid
whoever, whatever
Indeclinables & other (70)
a + abl
from, by ×2
ab + abl
from, by ×3
absque + abl
without, apart from
ad + acc
to, toward ×16
circa + acc
around, on bounds of ×3
contra + acc
against, facing ×2
cum + abl
with
de + abl
from, concerning ×8
ex + abl
out of, from ×3
in + abl
in, into, on ×12
inter + acc
between, among
per + acc
through ×10
praeter + acc
besides, except
propter + acc
because of ×7
secundum + acc
according to ×12
sub + abl
under, beneath
super + acc
upon, over ×10
supra + acc
above, beyond ×17
adhuc adv
thus far, till now
aliter adv
otherwise, differently
deorsum adv
down, downwards
diversimode adv
in different ways
dupliciter adv
in two ways
frustra adv
in vain ×2
ibi adv
there, in that place ×3
ibidem adv
in the same place
idest adv
that is ×2
infra adv
below, on the under side
ita adv
thus, so
minime adv
too
naturaliter adv
naturally, normally ×3
non adv
not ×18
nunc adv
now
omnino adv
entirely, altogether
praeterea adv
besides, furthermore ×2
prudenter adv
wisely, discreetly
quasi adv
as if, just as if
quemadmodum adv
in what way, how
quomodo adv
how, in what way
sensibiliter adv
by sense, perceptibly
sic adv
so, thus ×3
solum adv
only, just, merely, barely, alone ×2
sursum adv
up, on high
tunc adv
then
unde adv
from where, whence ×5
usque adv
all the way, right on ×2
vaporabiliter adv
in the form of vapor ×3
aut conj
or, or rather, else
autem conj
but, however ×6
cum conj
when, since ×2
enim conj
namely ×5
ergo conj
therefore ×6
et conj
and ×12
etiam conj
and also, besides, furthermore ×5
quam conj
how, than ×2
quamvis conj
however much
quia conj
because, for ×6
quod conj
because, as far as ×20
sed conj
but ×13
si conj
if, if only ×4
sicut conj
as, just as ×5
tamen conj
yet, nevertheless ×2
tum conj
then, at that time ×4
ut conj
that, so that; as ×10
vel conj
or
vero conj
yes ×4
centum num
one hundred
duo, duae, duo num
two ×5
quattuor num
four ×3
trēs, tria num
three ×2