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1 Objection 1: It would seem that separated souls know what takes place on earth; for otherwise they would have no care for it, as they have, according to what Dives said Lk. 16, 27, 28), I have five brethren... he may testify unto them, lest they also come into the place of torments. Therefore separated souls know what passes on earth.

1 Ad octavum sic proceditur. Videtur quod animae separatae cognoscant ea quae hic aguntur. Nisi enim ea cognoscerent, de eis curam non haberent. Sed habent curam de his quae hic aguntur; secundum illud Luc. XVI, habeo quinque fratres, ut testificetur illis, ne et ipsi veniant in hunc locum tormentorum. Ergo animae separatae cognoscunt ea quae hic aguntur.

2 Objection 2: Further, the dead often appear to the living, asleep or awake, and tell them of what takes place there; as Samuel appeared to Saul 1 Kgs. 28, 11). But this could not be unless they knew what takes place here. Therefore they know what takes place on earth.

2 Praeterea, frequenter mortui vivis apparent, vel dormientibus vel vigilantibus, et eos admonent de iis quae hic aguntur; sicut Samuel apparuit Sauli, ut habetur I Reg. XXVIII. Sed hoc non esset si ea quae hic sunt non cognoscerent. Ergo ea quae hic aguntur cognoscunt.

3 Objection 3: Further, separated souls know what happens among themselves. If, therefore, they do not know what takes place among us, it must be by reason of local distance; which has been shown to be false Article 7).

3 Praeterea, animae separatae cognoscunt ea quae apud eas aguntur. Si ergo quae apud nos aguntur non cognoscerent, impediretur earum cognitio per localem distantiam. Quod supra negatum est.

4 On the contrary, It is written Job 14, 21): He will not understand whether his children come to honor or dishonor.

4 Sed contra est quod dicitur Iob XIV, sive fuerint filii eius nobiles, sive ignobiles, non intelliget.

5 I answer that, By natural knowledge, of which we are treating now, the souls of the dead do not know what passes on earth. This follows from what has been laid down Article 4), since the separated soul has knowledge of singulars, by being in a way determined to them, either by some vestige of previous knowledge or affection, or by the Divine order. Now the souls departed are in a state of separation from the living, both by Divine order and by their mode of existence, whilst they are joined to the world of incorporeal spiritual substances; and hence they are ignorant of what goes on among us.

Whereof Gregory gives the reason thus: The dead do not know how the living act, for the life of the spirit is far from the life of the flesh; and so, as corporeal things differ from incorporeal in genus, so they are distinct in knowledge Moral. xii). Augustine seems to say the same De Cura pro Mort. xiii), when he asserts that, the souls of the dead have no concern in the affairs of the living. Gregory and Augustine, however, seem to be divided in opinion as regards the souls of the blessed in heaven, for Gregory continues the passage above quoted: The case of the holy souls is different, for since they see the light of Almighty God, we cannot believe that external things are unknown to them.

But Augustine De Cura pro Mort. xiii) expressly says: The dead, even the saints do not know what is done by the living or by their own children, as a gloss quotes on the text, Abraham hath not known us Is. 63, 16). He confirms this opinion by saying that he was not visited, nor consoled in sorrow by his mother, as when she was alive; and he could not think it possible that she was less kind when in a happier state; and again by the fact that the Lord promised to king Josias that he should die, lest he should see his people's afflictions 4 Kgs.

22, 20). Yet Augustine says this in doubt; and premises, Let every one take, as he pleases, what I say. Gregory, on the other hand, is positive, since he says, We cannot believe. His opinion, indeed, seems to be the more probable one, that the souls of the blessed who see God do know all that passes here. For they are equal to the angels, of whom Augustine says that they know what happens among those living on earth. But as the souls of the blessed are most perfectly united to Divine justice, they do not suffer from sorrow, nor do they interfere in mundane affairs, except in accordance with Divine justice.

5 Respondeo dicendum quod, secundum naturalem cognitionem, de qua nunc hic agitur, animae mortuorum nesciunt quae hic aguntur. Et huius ratio ex dictis accipi potest. Quia anima separata cognoscit singularia per hoc quod quodammodo determinata est ad illa, vel per vestigium alicuius praecedentis cognitionis seu affectionis, vel per ordinationem divinam. Animae autem mortuorum, secundum ordinationem divinam, et secundum modum essendi, segregatae sunt a conversatione viventium, et coniunctae conversationi spiritualium substantiarum quae sunt a corpore separatae. Unde ea quae apud nos aguntur ignorant.

Et hanc rationem assignat Gregorius in XII Moralium, dicens, mortui vita in carne viventium post eos, qualiter disponatur, nesciunt, quia vita spiritus longe est a vita carnis; et sicut corporea atque incorporea diversa sunt genere, ita sunt distincta cognitione. Et hoc etiam Augustinus videtur tangere in libro de cura pro mortuis agenda, dicens quod animae mortuorum rebus viventium non intersunt. Sed quantum ad animas beatorum, videtur esse differentia inter Gregorium et Augustinum. Nam Gregorius ibidem subdit, quod tamen de animabus sanctis sentiendum non est, quia quae intus omnipotentis Dei claritatem vident, nullo modo credendum est quod sit foris aliquid quod ignorent.

Augustinus vero, in libro de cura pro mortuis agenda, expresse dicit quod nesciunt mortui, etiam sancti, quid agant vivi et eorum filii, ut habetur in Glossa, super illud, Abraham nescivit nos, Isaiae LXIII. Quod quidem confirmat per hoc quod a matre sua non visitabatur, nec in tristitiis consolabatur, sicut quando vivebat; nec est probabile ut sit facta vita feliciore crudelior. Et per hoc quod dominus promisit Iosiae regi quod prius moreretur ne videret mala quae erant populo superventura, ut habetur IV Reg.

XXII. Sed Augustinus hoc dubitando dicit, unde praemittit, ut volet, accipiat quisque quod dicam. Gregorius autem assertive, quod patet per hoc quod dicit, nullo modo credendum est. Magis tamen videtur, secundum sententiam Gregorii, quod animae sanctorum Deum videntes, omnia praesentia quae hic aguntur cognoscant. Sunt enim Angelis aequales, de quibus etiam Augustinus asserit quod ea quae apud vivos aguntur non ignorant. Sed quia sanctorum animae sunt perfectissime iustitiae divinae coniunctae, nec tristantur, nec rebus viventium se ingerunt, nisi secundum quod iustitiae divinae dispositio exigit.

6 Reply to Objection 1: The souls of the departed may care for the living, even if ignorant of their state; just as we care for the dead by pouring forth prayer on their behalf, though we are ignorant of their state. Moreover, the affairs of the living can be made known to them not immediately, but the souls who pass hence thither, or by angels and demons, or even by the revelation of the Holy Ghost, as Augustine says in the same book.

6 Ad primum ergo dicendum quod animae mortuorum possunt habere curam de rebus viventium, etiam si ignorent eorum statum; sicut nos curam habemus de mortuis, eis suffragia impendendo, quamvis eorum statum ignoremus. Possunt etiam facta viventium non per seipsos cognoscere, sed vel per animas eorum qui hinc ad eos accedunt; vel per Angelos seu Daemones; vel etiam spiritu Dei revelante, sicut Augustinus in eodem libro dicit.

7 Reply to Objection 2: That the dead appear to the living in any way whatever is either by the special dispensation of God; in order that the souls of the dead may interfere in affairs of the living, and this is to be accounted as miraculous. Or else such apparitions occur through the instrumentality of bad or good angels, without the knowledge of the departed; as may likewise happen when the living appear, without their own knowledge, to others living, as Augustine says in the same book. And so it may be said of Samuel that he appeared through Divine revelation; according to Ecclus. 46, 23, he slept, and told the king the end of his life. Or, again, this apparition was procured by the demons; unless, indeed, the authority of Ecclesiasticus be set aside through not being received by the Jews as canonical Scripture.

7 Ad secundum dicendum quod hoc quod mortui viventibus apparent qualitercumque, vel contingit per specialem Dei dispensationem, ut animae mortuorum rebus viventium intersint, et est inter divina miracula computandum. Vel huiusmodi apparitiones fiunt per operationes Angelorum bonorum vel malorum, etiam ignorantibus mortuis, sicut etiam vivi ignorantes aliis viventibus apparent in somnis, ut Augustinus dicit in libro praedicto. Unde et de Samuele dici potest quod ipse apparuit per revelationem divinam; secundum hoc quod dicitur Eccli. XLVI, quod dormivit, et notum fecit regi finem vitae suae. Vel illa apparitio fuit procurata per Daemones, si tamen Ecclesiastici auctoritas non recipiatur, propter hoc quod inter canonicas Scripturas apud Hebraeos non habetur.

8 Reply to Objection 3: This kind of ignorance does not proceed from the obstacle of local distance, but from the cause mentioned above.

8 Ad tertium dicendum quod ignorantia huiusmodi non contingit ex locali distantia, sed propter causam praedictam.

Word list
I q. 89 a. 8: Whether separated souls know that takes place on earth? · 238 unique words
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Nouns (63)
ecclesiasticus m · 1st
Ecclesiasticus ×2
iosias, Iōsīae m · 1st
Josias
isaias, Īsāiae m · 1st
Isaiah, Book of the Bible
Lucas m · 1st
Luke
anima, animae f · 1st
soul ×14
causa, causae f · 1st
cause, reason
cura, curae f · 1st
concern, worry ×6
differentia, differentiae f · 1st
difference, distinction
distantia, distantiae f · 1st
distance, difference ×2
glossa, glossae f · 1st
gloss, explanatory note
ignorantia, ignorantiae f · 1st
ignorance
iustitia, iūstitiae f · 1st
justice, righteousness ×2
scriptura, scripturae f · 1st
writing
sententia, sententiae f · 1st
opinion, feeling
substantia, substantiae f · 1st
nature
tristitia, tristitiae f · 1st
sadness
vita, vitae f · 1st
life, career ×5
angelus, angelī m · 2nd
angel ×3
augustinus, augustinī m · 2nd
Augustine ×7
deus, deī m · 2nd
God, god ×4
dominus, dominī m · 2nd
lord; the Lord
filius, fīliī m · 2nd
son ×2
gregorius, gregoriī m · 2nd
Gregory ×4
Gregorius, Gregoriī m · 2nd
Gregory
Hebraeus, Hebraeī m · 2nd
Hebrew
liber, librī m · 2nd
book ×4
locus, locī m · 2nd
seat, rank
modus, modī m · 2nd
manner, mode ×3
populus, populī m · 2nd
people
somnus, somnī m · 2nd
sleep
miraculum, miraculī n · 2nd
miracle
moralia n · 2nd
the Morals
suffragium, suffragiī n · 2nd
suffrage, intercession
tormentum, tormentī n · 2nd
windlass
vestigium, vestigiī n · 2nd
step, track
daemon, daemonis m · 3rd
spirit, supernatural being ×2
felix, Fēlīcis m · 3rd
happy
finis, fīnis m · 3rd · i-stem
end, boundary
frater, fratris m · 3rd
brother
rex, rēgis m · 3rd
king ×4
samuel, samuelis m · 3rd
Samuel ×2
saul, Saūl m · 3rd
Saul
affectio, affectiōnis f · 3rd
mental condition, mood
apparitio, apparitionis f · 3rd
appearance ×2
auctoritas, auctoritatis f · 3rd
authority
caro, carnis f · 3rd
meat, flesh ×2
claritas, claritātis f · 3rd
clarity, vividness
cognitio, cognitiōnis f · 3rd
examination, inquiry, investigation ×4
conversatio, conversatiōnis f · 3rd
way ×2
dispensatio, dispensatiōnis f · 3rd
management
dispositio, dispositiōnis f · 3rd
layout
mater, matris f · 3rd
mother, foster mother
operatio, operatiōnis f · 3rd
operation
ordinatio, ordinatiōnis f · 3rd
an arrangement, an ordinance ×2
ratio, ratiōnis f · 3rd
reason, account ×2
revelatio, revelatiōnis f · 3rd
revelation
corpus, corporis n · 3rd
body
genus, generis n · 3rd
birth, descent, origin
spiritus, spiritūs m · 4th
breath, breathing ×2
status, statūs m · 4th
state, condition ×2
res, reī f · 5th
res ×4
abraham, Abrahae m
Abraham
iob m
Job
Verbs (59)
assignō, assignāre, assignāvī, assignātum 1st conj
assign, distribute
computō, computāre, computāvī, computātum 1st conj
reckon
confirmō, confirmāre, confirmāvī, confirmātum 1st conj
strengthen, develop
consolor, consolārī, consolātus sum 1st conj
console, comfort, solace
determino 1st conj
determine, settle
dubitō, dubitāre, dubitāvī, dubitātum 1st conj
doubt
ignorō, ignorāre, ignorāvī, ignorātum 1st conj
not know ×7
nego 1st conj
deny, refuse
procurō, procurāre, procurāvī, procurātum 1st conj
manage
revelō, revelāre, revelāvī, revelātum 1st conj
show
segregō, segregāre, segregāvī, segregātum 1st conj
remove, separate
separō, separāre, separāvī, separātum 1st conj
divide, distinguish ×5
testificor, testificārī, testificātus sum 1st conj
assert solemnly, testify
tristor 1st conj
to be sad, grieve
vigilō, vigilāre, vigilāvī, vigilātum 1st conj
remain awake, be awake
visitō, visitāre, visitāvī, visitātum 1st conj
visit, call upon
admoneō, admonēre, admonuī, admonitum 2nd conj
admonish, remind
appareō, apparēre, apparuī, apparitum 2nd conj
appear ×5
habeō, habēre, habuī, habitum 2nd conj
have, hold ×9
pateō, patēre, patuī 2nd conj
be open, lie open
respondeō, respondēre, respondī, responsum 2nd conj
answer
videō, vidēre, vīdī, vīsum 2nd conj
see ×7
accedō, accedere, accessī, accessum 3rd conj
come near, approach
accipiō, accipere, accepī, acceptum 3rd conj
take, grasp ×2
agō, agere, ēgī, āctum 3rd conj
do, drive, deal ×15
assero 3rd conj
claim, assert
cognosco 3rd conj
become acquainted with ×10
coniungō, coniungere, coniunxī, coniunctum 3rd conj
connect, join ×2
contingō, contingere, contigī, contactum 3rd conj
touch ×2
credō, credere, credidī, creditum 3rd conj
trust, entrust ×2
dīcō, dīcere, dīxī, dictum 3rd conj
say, speak ×16
disponō, disponere, disposuī, dispositum 3rd conj
dispose, place here and there
distinguō, distinguere, distinxī, distinctum 3rd conj
distinguish, separate
exigō, exigere, exegī, exactum 3rd conj
drive out, expel
faciō, facere, fēcī, factum 3rd conj
do, make ×3
impendō, impendere, impendī, impēnsum 3rd conj
overhang, hang over
ingero 3rd conj
to carry in, bring up
intelligō, intelligere, intellēxī, intellēctum 3rd conj
understand
morior, morī, mortuus sum 3rd conj
die, expire
praecedō, praecedere, praecessī, praecessum 3rd conj
go before, precede
praedicō, praedicāre, praedicāvī, praedicātum 3rd conj
proclaim, preach ×2
praemitto 3rd conj
send ahead, state beforehand
procedō, procedere, processī, processum 3rd conj
proceed
promittō, promittere, promisī, promissum 3rd conj
promise
recipiō, recipere, recēpī, receptum 3rd conj
record
subdō, subdere, subdidī, subditum 3rd conj
place under, apply
tangō, tangere, tetigī, tactum 3rd conj
touch, strike
vivō, vivere, vixī, victum 3rd conj
be alive, live ×10
dormiō, dormīre, dormīvī, dormītum 4th conj
sleep ×2
impediō, impedīre, impedīvī, impedītum 4th conj
hinder, impede
nescio 4th conj
not know ×4
sentiō, sentīre, sensī, sensum 4th conj
perceive, feel
superveniō, supervenīre, supervenī, superventum 4th conj
come up, arrive
veniō, venīre, vēnī, ventum 4th conj
hunt
fīō, fierī, factus sum irreg
happen, come about
intersum, interesse, interfuī, interfutūrus irreg
to be between, differ ×2
possum, posse, potuī irreg
be able, can ×4
sum, esse, fuī, futūrus irreg
be ×24
volō, velle, voluī irreg
wish, will, want
Adjectives (33)
bonus, -a, -um 1st
good
canonicus, -a, -um 1st
canonical
corporeus, -a, -um 1st
bodily, corporeal
diversus, -a, -um 1st
different, diverse
malus, -a, -um 1st
bad, evil ×2
notus, -a, -um 1st
well known, familiar
nūllus, -a, -um (gen. nūllīus) 1st
no ×2
suus, -a, -um 1st
his/her/their own ×2
tertius, -a, -um 1st
third
vivus, -a, -um 1st
alive, fresh ×4
alius, alia, aliud (gen. usually alterīus) 2nd
other, another
divinus, -a, -um 2nd
divine, of a deity, god ×6
incorporeus, -a, -um 2nd
incorporeal, bodiless
mortuus, -a, -um 2nd
dead, deceased ×13
primus, -a, -um 2nd
first, foremost, best
sanctus, -a, -um 2nd
holy ×4
secundus, -a, -um 2nd
next, following
ūnus, -a, -um (gen. ūnīus) 2nd
one
aequalis, -e 3rd
equal, similar
beātus, -a, -um 3rd
blessed, happy
crudelis, -e 3rd
cruel, harsh
ignobilis, -e 3rd
ignoble
localis, -e 3rd
local ×2
naturalis, -e 3rd
natural, normal
nobilis, -e 3rd
noble, well born
omnipotens, gen. omnipotentis 3rd
all-powerful, omnipotent
omnis, -e 3rd
all, every
praesens, gen. praesentis 3rd
present
probabilis, -e 3rd
probable
singularis, -e 3rd
alone, unique
specialis, -e 3rd
special
spiritualis, -e 3rd
spiritual, of the spirit
huiusmodi adj
such a one ×2
Pronouns (13)
ego, meī
I ×4
is, ea, id
he, she, it; this, that ×21
quī, quae, quod
who, which ×24
hic, haec, hoc
this, this one; (adv.) here ×14
īdem, eadem, idem
the same
ille, illa, illud
that; he, she, it ×5
ipse, ipsa, ipsum
himself, herself, itself; very ×2
sēipse, sēipsa, sēipsum
himself, herself, itself (emphatic)
suī, sibi, sē
of himself, herself, itself
aliquī, aliqua, aliquod
anyone, anybody, anything
aliquis, aliqua, aliquid
anyone, anybody, anything
quis, quid
who? what?
quisque, quaeque, quidque
each, every one
Indeclinables & other (70)
a + abl
from, by ×4
ad + acc
to, toward ×7
apud + acc
at, by ×5
contra + acc
against, facing
de + abl
from, concerning ×11
ex + abl
out of, from ×2
in + abl
in, into, on ×10
inter + acc
between, among ×3
per + acc
through ×14
post + acc
behind, after
pro + abl
for, on behalf of ×2
propter + acc
because of ×2
secundum + acc
according to ×7
super + acc
upon, over
supra + acc
above, beyond
assertive adv
assertively, by way of assertion
expresse adv
expressly, plainly
foris adv
out of doors, abroad
frequenter adv
often, frequently
hic adv
here, in this place ×9
hinc adv
from here, from this source, cause
ibidem adv
in the same place
intus adv
within, on the inside
ita adv
thus, so
longe adv
far, distant
magis adv
to greater extent, more nearly
non adv
not ×13
nunc adv
now
perfecte adv
perfectly, completely
praeterea adv
besides, furthermore ×2
prius adv
earlier, before
qualiter adv
as, just as
qualitercumque adv
in whatever way
quando adv
when, at what time
quantum adv
how much, as far as
quidem adv
indeed, certainly
quodammodo adv
in a certain way
sic adv
so, thus
unde adv
from where, whence ×3
atque conj
and, as well
autem conj
but, however ×2
enim conj
namely ×2
ergo conj
therefore ×4
et conj
and ×14
etiam conj
and also, besides, furthermore ×8
nam conj
for, on the other hand
ne conj
that not, lest ×2
nec conj
nor, and..not ×4
nisi conj
if not ×2
quamvis conj
however much
quia conj
because, for ×4
quod conj
because, as far as ×22
sed conj
but ×8
seu conj
or ×2
si conj
if, if only ×4
sicut conj
as, just as ×6
sive conj
or if ×2
tamen conj
yet, nevertheless ×3
ut conj
that, so that; as ×8
vel conj
or ×11
vero conj
yes
duodecim num
twelve
octāvus, -a, -um num
eight
quadraginta num
forty
quattuor num
four
quattuordecim num
fourteen
quinque num
five
sedecim num
sixteen
sexaginta num
sixty
viginti num
twenty ×2